Alexei Yagudin named traitor of the year

[sizzleteen]

I found this on FSU.
http://mk-piter.ru/?id=1273
Alexei was named traitor of the year by a Russian newspaper. Bascically, they say he is helping to coach Brian Joubert not to improve his skating, but to give out all of Plushenko's secrets and weaknesses so Brian can beat him in Turino.

Why can't they just leave him alone??:(:(:(

[skaterocks]

I couldn't read it becuase it wasn't in english and I don't know how to change the writing or whatever on the internet, but all the same, I agree, why can't they just leave him alone? Anyways, I didn't think that skaters can have weaknesses that can be used against them by other skaters.

[PrettyLayBack]

This is what they do. They pick people apart till there is nothing left.More then likely this is not true. So I wouldn't worry about it

[IceAlisa]

Sounds true enough, as far as naming him Traitor. The question is, did he really say all these silly things about Plushy's weak points, etc. Is that what you mean, PrettyLayBack? Does anyone know about these interviews or where we can read them? I will look for it on the french and russian news.

[Lanie]

In an article, I think on GoldenSkate, about Brian, that's what he said--he's gonna beat Plushenko because Alexei beat him. :rolleyes: Yeah. Right.

[PrettyLayBack]

Okay, Well "NONE" of us know if it is true or not so how can you say it seems true that they are calling him a traitor. You can't. Media twists things all the time to their own advantage what ever gives the best story, and the most drama. I know a lot of people on this fan forum and major fans of Yags...And some have met him....Do you think he would...I am going to stay neutral in my opinion, atleast till I know more.

[sizzleteen]

I just read it on FSU, where someone (a Russian speaker) posted a summary of what the article said. So yes, it is true that they named him traitor of the year. I completely disagree with their reasons. He may love the US and Canada, but he has said "I will always be Russian in my soul." Apparently, a lot of people in Russia are mad that he moved to the US to train.

[Sashastar917]

Thats so mean! Leave my baby alexei alone you evil reporter people. :evil:cry:

[IceAlisa]

Originally posted by PrettyLayBack
Okay, Well "NONE" of us know if it is true or not so how can you say it seems true that they are calling him a traitor. You can't. Media twists things all the time to their own advantage what ever gives the best story, and the most drama. I know a lot of people on this fan forum and major fans of Yags...And some have met him....Do you think he would...I am going to stay neutral in my opinion, atleast till I know more.

I know that the Russian media is calling him a traitor in the article linked in the beginning of this thread. I am a native Russian speaker, so I read the article and that's exactly what it said. Now I don't know if the claims of the article are true, namely what Yags allegedly said about his coaching of Joubert.

[PrettyLayBack]

No, you are missing what I am saying. I know thats what it said but whether it is true or not well thats different. Like I said Media guns for big stories, or drama

[IceAlisa]

No, you are missing MY point. I said, yes it's true, they are calling him a traitor in the article but then I said: Now I don't know if the claims of the article are true, namely what Yags allegedly said about his coaching of Joubert.

[Sashastar917]

I think what she's trying to say is that she knows that the article IS calling him a traitor but she's questioning wheather or not Alexei is actually a traitor......correct me if I'm wrong.

[ouridol]

Originally posted by Sashastar917
Thats so mean! Leave my baby alexei alone you evil reporter people. :evil:cry:

LOL ITA!! These people just have no life...*sighs*:confused: Go pick on someone else!

anyways, its really rude to call him a "Traitor" just cause he loves skating for north american crowds, and moved here to train with TT. after all he did win the gold for Russia right? not canada?!:rolleyes:

[Vicky]

Originally posted by sizzleteen
I just read it on FSU, where someone (a Russian speaker) posted a summary of what the article said. So yes, it is true that they named him traitor of the year. I completely disagree with their reasons. He may love the US and Canada, but he has said "I will always be Russian in my soul." Apparently, a lot of people in Russia are mad that he moved to the US to train.

EXACTLY!!!!! okay i am a huge alexei fan, so i am not very objectiv :rolleyes: BUT HE ALWAYS SAID THAT HE IS PROUD TO BE RUSSIAN!!!!! i ahve tons of videos with interviews where he says that!!!!!!
it is really not fair from the russian press and i think it is childish..sory that is my opinion..

[loveskating]

This is simply the current mood in Russia, and he is just the convenient target of it.

I am not saying that it is great or anything about it one way or the other...it just IS is all. It has to do with geopolitical issues.
I just wish that everyone, including the Russians, would leave sports out of this geopolitical stuff, but I can't blame them alone...

I don't see why we can't all enjoy some things for their own beautiful, powerful sakes....why does politics have to constantly be brought up in sports? That's why I never get political or nationalitic about skating...anyway, when I was a kid, I thought the Protopovs must be from Mars, because they were so "inhumanly", incredibly beautiful!!! Its SKATING that I love, and I don't care who does it best, all I care about is that the sport progresses and great skating is rewarded.

P.S. there are secrets in skating...but they are not going to help you if you don't have the goods in the first place.

[iceangel15]

I agree..why they don't leave him alone??? He is the best skater russia never had and now they call him a traitor??!! If he wanna coach someone its his choice! and im sure alexei's not giving "plusheko' secret and weekness" to make sure that Brian will beat him! Alexei is coaching joubert so its sure he want him to win..! Its totaly normal..every coach wants his student to win! So the reporter who wrote that stupid article should think about it a second!

i think there are just upset cause alexei's not teaching a russian skater!! Want do you think???

[danibellerika]

Hmm...this could be the reason why TT said that she did not want to coach anymore international skaters. She said the pressure was too much somewhere.

[6.0 Sasha]

I think that it is carzy that they are calling Yags a traitor... what did he do? He is just coaching Joubert!

[AstarZ41]

Yea I wouldn't call Alexei that either....traitor is a very strong word and a person would have to do much worse things to be called that. Afterall this is Alexei's job so I guess he's gotta be where the money's at. However, the some Russian people aren't very fond of him in general after some of the things he said and did. Coaching Joubert and having his farewell in Canada are some recent things, but the Canadian team jacket incidient was one of the biggies. It wasn't the smartest thing to do to wear a Canadian team jacket at the time of the SLC pairs scandal. And I wouldn't go as far as to say Alexei is the best skater Russia ever had, iceangel15. You must not know just how many great skater's Russia had...Alexei's one of them, but IMO not *the* best ever.

[Sasha 6.0]

Originally posted by iceangel15
I agree..why they don't leave him alone??? He is the best skater russia never had and now they call him a traitor??!! If he wanna coach someone its his choice! and im sure alexei's not giving "plusheko' secret and weekness" to make sure that Brian will beat him! Alexei is coaching joubert so its sure he want him to win..! Its totaly normal..every coach wants his student to win! So the reporter who wrote that stupid article should think about it a second!

i think there are just upset cause alexei's not teaching a russian skater!! Want do you think???

That's what I think too! Only becasue he is not teaching a Russian skater. That's all ssoo mean! Any ways as long as he's not like unscrewing Plushy's skates or some thing or making him skate abdly, there is nnoo problem! He's not hurting Plushy in any way just trying to help his own student.

[Magz]

Well I don't think it's right to call him a traitor. I can see why people would see him as that - he is alledgedly telling all of Plushy's secrets and weaknesses to Joubert - but if Alexei knows those "secrets and weaknesses" it would only be from competeing against him, so Joubert probably would've noticed them by Turino anyways.

[ICESKATERDUDE]

Ahhhh, the media. . . . don't you just love it?:rolleyes:

[zippythesqurl2]

P.S. there are secrets in skating...but they are not going to help you if you don't have the goods in the first place.

Not really. There's training secrets, like warm ups, what they eat, and the Russion "tuck under" on the axle. But secrets in skating? The only one I can think of is if the skaters buys out a judge, which by the by (having a coach with a father who ranks high in judging) does happen. Even in preliminary competitions.


Any way, I bet having a Canadian win GPF, didn't help any feeling of resentment.

[~FLuTtErBy456~]

Originally posted by iceangel15
I agree..why they don't leave him alone??? He is the best skater russia never had and now they call him a traitor??!! If he wanna coach someone its his choice! and im sure alexei's not giving "plusheko' secret and weekness" to make sure that Brian will beat him! Alexei is coaching joubert so its sure he want him to win..! Its totaly normal..every coach wants his student to win! So the reporter who wrote that stupid article should think about it a second!

i think there are just upset cause alexei's not teaching a russian skater!! Want do you think???

ITA. I wish they would just leave poor Alexei alone. I highly doubt he's coaching Joubert to "give aways Plushenko's secrets and weaknesses so Joubert can win". I'm sure he's coaching Joubert for the same reason many other coaches coach their athletes: The coach wants to take that athlete to a higher level, every coach wishes for their athlete to be the best in the world. Part of me agrees with IceAngel115, I believe part of the problem is that he's not coaching a Russian skater. Yet part of me believes that's not the whole reason why they wrote that article.

[danibellerika]

Originally posted by ~FLuTtErBy456~
ITA. I wish they would just leave poor Alexei alone. I highly doubt he's coaching Joubert to "give aways Plushenko's secrets and weaknesses so Joubert can win".

Ummm...I think Alexei IS doing just that b/c he seems to me like the type of guy who would do it, especially when it comes to Plush. One thing that's not a secret is how much he resents Mishin and indirectly Plush especially on ice.

Originally posted by ~FLuTtErBy456~

I'm sure he's coaching Joubert for the same reason many other coaches coach their athletes: The coach wants to take that athlete to a higher level, every coach wishes for their athlete to be the best in the world.

Knowing other skater's weaknesses can take you to a higher level because you can work on those things therefore putting you at a higher level. I'm sure Alexei's working with him on other things too though.

Pretty much, if Plush was say...French and Joubert were say...Russian(holding constant that Alexei's still Russian), nobody would have a problem with Alexei sharing Plush's secrets because he's aiding in a fellow Russian bringing home the gold.

[loveskating]

Originally posted by danibellerika
Hmm...this could be the reason why TT said that she did not want to coach anymore international skaters. She said the pressure was too much somewhere.

I tend to think so.

There is a very high nationalistic mood in Russia right now...and I tried to inform people of this elsewhere but was ridiculed for doing so...yet still, it is true. In the recent (3 weeks ago) 'congressional' type national elections...not a single "pro-American" type was elected, which shocked all the analysts.

In that context, I speculate that there is a lot of pressure on Tarasova, and also on Yagudin...and in his case, it is public.

I think its just too bad that the governments will not allow sports at least to be mostly free of these kind of political issues...but again, I know its not just Russia acting that way.

However, if Jobert were to win Worlds against Plushenko, I do feel that it will be hard for Yagudin in Russia. I don't agree, personally, I am totally un-nationalistic when it comes to sports! I'm just stating what I think are the facts, trying to inform others.

[loveskating]

Originally posted by zippythesqurl2
Not really. There's training secrets, like warm ups, what they eat, and the Russion "tuck under" on the axle. But secrets in skating? The only one I can think of is if the skaters buys out a judge, which by the by (having a coach with a father who ranks high in judging) does happen. Even in preliminary competitions.

Any way, I bet having a Canadian win GPF, didn't help any feeling of resentment.

I'm sorry, but I think that you are mistaken, there are "secrets" as to the skating...not only between national approaches to many problems in skating, but between American coaches!

For instance, if a "Spin Doctor" just told her secrets all around, then she could not charge money for her services, could she?

All coaches are not the same, clearly...and for many reasons, but these include solutions to skating problems that are their innovations and thus their secrets.

I know this from my daughter's competitive skating at a low level, where there were also Russian coaches, a few of them rather well known, but all it takes to know this is to see the huge difference in Kyoko Ina's pairs skating after a few years with Moskvina...

[zippythesqurl2]

I tend to think you're wrong. They aren't secrets! Anyone can go to where they train and see the TECHNIQUE used. I know a bunch of John Nicks 'secrets' because I've trained with some of his students. I know David Kirby's secrets because I trained at the same rink. I know many Russian secrets because I train at a rink with a few of them. I know Tom (at world areana) because I skate with his students. So, Jubert can see what Plushy does in competition practices and know all the secrets!

I know this from being the student of a coach who had a prestigious judge as a father. I know this from knowing judges myself.

It's not a secret, it's a technique. That's why Kyoko changed, her coaches 'style' changed. To call them secrets is an abuse of the word.


As far as 'fixing' problems. That's a case to case basis anyway. One fix for a flip won't help another persons flip per-say. And beyond that, they aren't then Russian secrets, they're Mishen secrets. Secrets he TAUGHT to Yags. Yagudin is simply passing the torch.

[skaterocks]

I agree with zippythesqurl2,
It is all in the diffrernt techniques, In my experiance, different techniques work for different people. Theres no secret behind it, IMO, it is personal preferance and whatever works best for that person.

[Sasha 6.0]

Originally posted by skaterocks
I agree with zippythesqurl2,
It is all in the diffrernt techniques, In my experiance, different techniques work for different people. Theres no secret behind it, IMO, it is personal preferance and whatever works best for that person.

I Agree with that too. Also Alexi is just trying to be a good coach and do what will help his student. He is not hurting Plushy in any phisical way so I Really see no problem. Also what if people are jelous? What is Plushy is because now Alexi's student will beat him. HHMM HHMM. HeHe.